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Post subject: What's with toonami's 'recent' glut of junk anime?
Rave Master
DICE
One Piece(upcoming)
Dual Masters
What do these shows all have in common? They're utter garbage. They didn't last on regular(non cartoon network) television for a reason: they're terrible. And they're now, or soon will be, on Cartoon Network.
It's a trend I've noticed building over the past couple of years as anime in general moves towards the Mainstream. Networks aquiring the licsence to air/distribute "junk" anime, doing a poor/crap translation, and shoving it into the face of consumers in hope to turn a profit. It's a flooding of the market, quantity over quality.
Cartoon network/Toonami have consistantly been on top of things with the Adult Swim/Toonami lineup, and I have to commend them, because credit is due where credit is due. It's sttill some of the best programming on TV IMHO, and I make plans to tune in and watch on a weekly/daily basis.
But when they have a fairly heavy pull within the industry to release extremely decent anime onto US television, why are they, I will go so far as to say, SPAMMING us with this garbage? This is the kind of stuff that 6 year olds in japan watch. They're neither involved nor are they particularly stimulating to view, and they certainly don't deserve a prime time slot on a saturday evening.
There are more than enough -DECENT- anime, anime that've already been translated, in existance, just waiting for syndication, Many of them of a greater/higher quality than any of these listed above.
Shows like "Last Exile", "Gad Guard", "Wanderers of El-hazard", or "Bubblegum Crisis 2040" appeal to the masses. If you want mega fighting/action to please the Dragonball Z crowd, Why not bring over the absurdly violent/cool mecha show "Yushao GaoGaiGar(king of braves gaogaigar)", or even fan-favorite "Naruto". An inuyasha topper? what about "Fushigi Yugi"? Want old school anime? How about "Ranma 1/2" or Haunted Junction? And what About Evangelion? Practically everyone and their mother is familiar with this show by now.
The point is, coming from a network which got Sunrise Japan to finish the rest of 'Big-O' because US viewers wanted to see them, or brought "Ghost in the Shell: Stand Alone Complex" to TV, these kinds of shows come off as almost insulting. I understand if the network is moving more towards a kid-friendly mentality, but there're MUCH better things you could play on your network than a poorly dubbed "DICE", let alone "Duel Masters".
-Alyssa
Sat Feb 26, 2005 10:42 pm
Nobuyuki
Joined: Nov 07, 2002
Post subject: Re: What's with toonami's 'recent' glut of junk anime?
First, if you're going to bitch about Toonmi, do it in the right forum.
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soapcore wrote:
Shows like "Last Exile", "Gad Guard", "Wanderers of El-hazard", or "Bubblegum Crisis 2040" appeal to the masses.
Last Exile and Gad Guard currently air on G4.
El-Hazard: The Wanderers, along with El-Hazard: The Magnificent World and Fushigi Yuugi aired on International Channel for two years.
BGC 2040 used to be an Action Channel staple before going to The Anime network.
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If you want mega fighting/action to please the Dragonball Z crowd, Why not bring over the absurdly violent/cool mecha show "Yushao GaoGaiGar(king of braves gaogaigar)"
If somebody could work through the various licensing rights, it might work.
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or even fan-favorite "Naruto".
What rock have you been under for the past week? Naruto's coming to Toonami this fall.
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An inuyasha topper? what about "Fushigi Yugi"?
See above.
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Want old school anime?
No, they don't, to tell the truth.
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And what About Evangelion? Practically everyone and their mother is familiar with this show by now.
So why bother showing it on TV? Even if it is running on The Anime Network now.
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The point is, coming from a network which got Sunrise Japan to finish the rest of 'Big-O' because US viewers wanted to see them, or brought "Ghost in the Shell: Stand Alone Complex" to TV,
Where they air on [as], not Toonami.
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these kinds of shows come off as almost insulting. I understand if the network is moving more towards a kid-friendly mentality, but there're MUCH better things you could play on your network than a poorly dubbed "DICE", let alone "Duel Masters".
-Alyssa
Then don't watch them. Nobody's forcing you. _________________ "When I became a man, I put away childish things, including the fear of childishness and the desire to be very grown up."- C.S. Lewis
"Superman can't be emo. He can't cut himself."-CP
Sat Feb 26, 2005 11:17 pm
AngelHedgie
Joined: Feb 06, 2005
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(sigh)
First, please read the disclaimer.
TylerL wrote:
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In other words, if you want to bitch about programming, please go here.
Tell me, are these shows any better than the 22 minute toy ads we used to watch when we were kids? Please be honest with yourself - are they truely better than the uber-toyetic shows we remember from our childhoods? Toonami is a good block, but it also has to make money, and it's shows like D.I.C.E. that mean we get the shows that we love.
As for the poor dubs, that's not on CN or WS. Both Tokyopop (Rave Master) and 4Kids (One Piece, among others) are notorious for mauling dubs. (Go talk to an Initial D fanboy sometimes, and see how many profanities they spew forth when you mention Tokyopop.) CN does the best it can to insure solid dubs, but the onus is on the company doing the work.
Also, let's not forget that this is not 2000 anymore. Newtype USA lists eight separate channels that air anime on a regular basis. Even if we toss the "kiddie" channels, that's still five networks fighting over the same pool - Anime Network, CN, G4, Action Channel, and International Channel. And what might be acceptable on one may not be on another. (For instance, Action aired a few months back Fist of the North Star - that show would never be acceptable on CN, not even on [as].) CN isn't the only one licencing anymore, and that indeed influences them, especially after Slayers and Escaflowne.
Now, let's look at your suggestions:
Last Exile - licenced to G4.
El-Hazzard - unlikely, as it's a dated series. (Remember how First Gundam did?) Best bet is IC.
Bubblegum Crisis 2040 - two strikes against it - 1) it's very adult, and 2) it's an ADV property, IIRC. In other words, more likely Anime Network material.
Naruto - Fall 2005, Only Toonami. You really should read animation news.
Fushigi Yugi - I don't know what would be more offputting - the sexual abuse, or the treatment of the dead in the series.
Ranma 1/2 - Transsexuality bad.
Haunted Junction - Shota-con worse.
NGE - Okay, CN has enough problems with Bozell as is. Do you want to start a war? Besides, Giant Robot Week ratings weren't exactly inspiring.
The overall point is, you want to approach this as an anime fan - you can't. CN is in many ways tugged at all corners, and as much as the higherups would love to put authentic shows that suit them on, they have to look at the realities of business. And that means choosing to put on something that will bring in money over something that would appeal to only a small subset of people (and let me remind you, a subset that often denounces them.)
Best line from a Cartoon Cartoon: "Sometimes love hurts, Pud'n. And I love you very much."
Sat Feb 26, 2005 11:58 pm
FinalDivineDragoon
Joined: Nov 07, 2002
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First off: Angelhedgie, you rock on an infinite amount of levels
Second: taken straight off of CN's website
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Duel Masters: The animé series about Shobu, a master of an engrossing playing card game who can bring the cards’ creatures to life, returns in March with twenty-six new episodes.
If it's terrible then explain why the second season is airing next month? _________________ There is limited intelligence in the galaxy, but the stupidity of the universe is infinite.
Sun Feb 27, 2005 12:50 am
Nobuyuki
Joined: Nov 07, 2002
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FinalDivineDragoon wrote:
If it's terrible then explain why the second season is airing next month?
The same reason that D.I.C.E. (love Fodder's nickname for it ) got 26 more episodes- Kids love it. _________________ "When I became a man, I put away childish things, including the fear of childishness and the desire to be very grown up."- C.S. Lewis
"Superman can't be emo. He can't cut himself."-CP
Sun Feb 27, 2005 12:53 am
FinalDivineDragoon
Joined: Nov 07, 2002
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Yes, but there's nothing wrong with us adults partaking in the simpler joys these shows bring. If some people can't accept the shows for what they are then a) they are missing out on some good entertainment and b) they don't have to watch it at all.
Of course there's nothing wrong with watching 22 minute toy ads now is there? _________________ There is limited intelligence in the galaxy, but the stupidity of the universe is infinite.
Sun Feb 27, 2005 1:18 am
AdmiralGreer
Joined: Nov 08, 2002
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FinalDivineDragoon wrote:
Of course there's nothing wrong with watching 22 minute toy ads now is there?
Yes there is, when you're also in your 20s and play Yugioh or Duel Masters in between classes.
But in defense of soapcore, she (based on the sig at the end) DID use okay spelling, mechanics, and grammar, which is more then can be said for most of us. _________________ Ice cream has this erotic sense to it- kinda like the one choclate and strawberries have.
-Me
Sun Feb 27, 2005 1:35 am
Nobuyuki
Joined: Nov 07, 2002
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AdmiralGreer wrote:
FinalDivineDragoon wrote:
Of course there's nothing wrong with watching 22 minute toy ads now is there?
Yes there is, when you're also in your 20s and play Yugioh or Duel Masters in between classes.
Well I'm in the clear, then. _________________ "When I became a man, I put away childish things, including the fear of childishness and the desire to be very grown up."- C.S. Lewis
What?! IT GOT RENEWED! Whats this world coming to when i cant see the Freiza saga in its edited, dubbed, missing 13 episodes glory for the 45th time in a row and then a show like D.I.C.E gets renewed?!
So sad and i have to wait until June for new Harvey Birdmans. Is there a god? Well according to DBZ there isnt and i think DICE needs to be in the Home For Infinite Losers.
Mon Feb 28, 2005 8:05 am
KingSpanky
Joined: Dec 25, 2004
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Actually, he more than likely has only seen the One Piece Edit on FoxBox. That right there is trash and should be deemed so. However, the original One Piece rocks hardcore. Now if he implied that the orginal One Piece sucks, then I would glomp him but since he didn't, I held off.
However, TI's public whore(paperboy) might jump in on some of that action.
Mon Feb 28, 2005 5:42 pm
Fodder
Joined: Apr 02, 2003
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Ok Spanky Micheal Bolton kicks ass! _________________ Certified Narutard
Mon Feb 28, 2005 7:43 pm
Daikun
Joined: Nov 02, 2002
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...and that no-talent ass clown became famous and started winning Grammys. _________________ Toonami visual schedule - UPDATED AUGUST 2, 2015
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