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Why, exactly, can't Pixar 'market and distribute' it's own films? I really don't understand here. Pixar is such a consitent blockbuster success, why do they need someone ELSE to market and distribute. Am I missing something here?
Oh, and d) Just because Pixar COULD make more adult movies, doesn't mean they should. CG movies live by catering to a WIDE audience. Why mess with a formula that works really really well? There are some damn good movies that are G or PG. It doesn't have to say "fuck" every 5 seconds to be a good movie, people.
It doesn't have to say fuck every five seconds, when they could just FUCK every 5 seconds. OMG Problem Solved. _________________ You're An Inu (Dog)!
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Mon Feb 02, 2004 2:59 am
counterparadox
Joined: Nov 07, 2002
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Kalma wrote:
counterparadox wrote:
Why, exactly, can't Pixar 'market and distribute' it's own films? I really don't understand here. Pixar is such a consitent blockbuster success, why do they need someone ELSE to market and distribute. Am I missing something here?
Oh, and d) Just because Pixar COULD make more adult movies, doesn't mean they should. CG movies live by catering to a WIDE audience. Why mess with a formula that works really really well? There are some damn good movies that are G or PG. It doesn't have to say "fuck" every 5 seconds to be a good movie, people.
It doesn't have to say fuck every five seconds, when they could just FUCK every 5 seconds. OMG Problem Solved.
OMG you're a twit. _________________ anime is teh s uck
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Mon Feb 02, 2004 9:29 pm
Nobuyuki
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Today's LA Times:
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Associates say Disney-Pixar split was personal
THE LOS ANGELES TIMES
HOLLYWOOD - Several months before last summer's release of "Finding Nemo," the chairman of Walt Disney Co., Michael Eisner, told his board not to expect a blockbuster and suggested that such a fate might not be all that bad.
Eisner said that although Pixar Animation Studios was excited about its film, he was not impressed by early cuts he'd seen, according to people familiar with the matter.
Should the movie falter, Eisner said, Disney could gain negotiating leverage in contentious talks to extend its partnership with the high-flying animation company.
Pixar, Eisner concluded, may be headed for "a reality check."
The computer-animated film would, in fact, prove to be a reality check - for Eisner. The critically acclaimed "Finding Nemo" ended up making more money than any animated film in history.
Last week, Pixar Chief Executive Steve Jobs stunned Disney and Wall Street by abruptly ending negotiations with the Burbank, Calif., entertainment giant to extend one of Hollywood's richest relationships, one that has produced five straight hits.
Disney executives and many independent financial analysts said Pixar simply was demanding too much, including sole ownership of the films the two had made under the existing pact, such as the "Toy Story" series and "Monsters, Inc."
But associates of both Eisner and Apple Computer Inc. founder Jobs said the stunning split was less about the math of the deal than the equation of the personalities.
Associates say the two corporate titans, both famously strong-willed, let their personal differences cloud their objectivity in a partnership in which the spoils were evenly split.
Jobs, feeling perpetually slighted, crafted an offer that was so one-sided that some thought it appeared designed to infuriate Eisner.
"Pixar put a deal on the table that was almost insulting to Disney," said Jordan Rohan, media analyst for Schwab Soundview Capital Markets. "It seemed like Steve Jobs wanted to part ways with Disney."
"The relationship went sour when Michael didn't treat Jobs and the Pixar machine as a giant creative engine. He treated them as second-class citizens," said former Disney board member Stanley Gold, who resigned last year with fellow director Roy E. Disney in a dispute with Eisner.
For the record, Disney officials contend that personal feelings played no role in the divorce between the two companies.
"No Disney executive allows personality to get in the way of doing what's right for shareholders," Disney spokeswoman Zenia Mucha said. "The breakup came down to differences in financial terms of the partnership and nothing else."
Officials at Pixar declined to comment.
Whatever the reason behind the breakup, Disney's brass seems to be shedding few tears - at least in front of its employees, many of whom treasured the relationship with Pixar.
In an e-mail, Disney's new animation chief, David Stainton, picked by Eisner last year, had this to say to his troops:
"Given Pixar's demands, this is good news for the company. It is also a great vote of confidence for feature animation - confidence in our talent, our slate and our future. You all are awesome and ready for your close-up!"
The companies first joined in 1991. Back then, Pixar was not an equal partner. The upstart animation company was paid a fee to create digitally animated movies that Disney would market and release.
But after the surprise success of "Toy Story" in 1995, Jobs insisted on changing the financial balance of the relationship. He demanded that Pixar be paid half the profits on the films it wholly created for Disney. When Eisner balked, Jobs nearly walked.
Many say the turning point in the unraveling of their relationship came when Jobs and Eisner collided over the fate of "Toy Story 3" and how sequels figured into their new five-picture deal.
Under the terms of the agreement, sequels would not be counted as part of the five. At the time, Disney was trying to save money and time by making direct-to-video animated sequels.
That's how "Toy Story 2" was initially envisioned. But as production proceeded, Jobs could see the financial and creative potential of turning it into major movie that would be released in theaters.
In the end, Jobs' persistence paid off for Pixar and Disney. "Toy Story 2" made more money than the original, raking in a stunning $245 million domestically in 1999.
But because the movie was a sequel, it was not counted under the multipicture deal - a fact that Jobs accepted without making a ruckus. He was not so conciliatory when it came for plans to make "Toy Story 3."
This time, Jobs was adamant that the sequel be counted as one of the films Pixar owed under the Disney contract. Jobs' view was that "Toy Story 2" was a giant "freebie" for Disney and that Pixar should not be forced to provide another one.
Despite a collaboration that unexpectedly enriched Disney, Eisner insisted on sticking to the letter of the contract.
You reap what you sow... _________________ "When I became a man, I put away childish things, including the fear of childishness and the desire to be very grown up."- C.S. Lewis
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Tue Feb 03, 2004 4:29 pm
Fodder
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Doesnt it seem like Jobs is seeing Disney as the Microsoft of films? And wants to be on his own?
To be honest i can see no reason that Pixar needs Disney anymore.
Tue Feb 03, 2004 5:46 pm
Daikun
Joined: Nov 02, 2002
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Nobuyuki wrote:
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Several months before last summer's release of "Finding Nemo," the chairman of Walt Disney Co., Michael Eisner, told his board not to expect a blockbuster and suggested that such a fate might not be all that bad.
Eisner said that although Pixar Animation Studios was excited about its film, he was not impressed by early cuts he'd seen, according to people familiar with the matter.
Should the movie falter, Eisner said, Disney could gain negotiating leverage in contentious talks to extend its partnership with the high-flying animation company.
Pixar, Eisner concluded, may be headed for "a reality check."
The computer-animated film would, in fact, prove to be a reality check - for Eisner. The critically acclaimed "Finding Nemo" ended up making more money than any animated film in history.
HA HA! That's great! Best entertainment of the day.
Tue Feb 03, 2004 6:03 pm
Andromaton
Joined: Nov 17, 2003
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Fodder wrote:
Doesnt it seem like Jobs is seeing Disney as the Microsoft of films? And wants to be on his own?
To be honest i can see no reason that Pixar needs Disney anymore.
Pixar itself still doesn't have the distributing power to go solo and using Apple is giant no no.
Tue Feb 03, 2004 6:16 pm
Fodder
Joined: Apr 02, 2003
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I meant more as an analogy. The way Apple treated MS while he was its head. And the way Pixar treats Disney. Same David vs Goliath complex.
Tue Feb 03, 2004 6:25 pm
Andromaton
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I was referrng to the last line in your post-- the one about being able to see them not needing disney.
Tue Feb 03, 2004 7:37 pm
counterparadox
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Well, quite frankly, if a Pixar movie is going to come out, people are going to see it. Especially with Nemo, they have established themselves as makers of great movies. They have made 5 movies, and EVERY FRIKKEN ONE wasn't only a blockbuster hit, but they were DAMN good to boot. You don't need to be an expert at marketing to make their movies make money. Any company should DIE to have them and should treat them like kings. Pixar is like free money. _________________ anime is teh s uck
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Tue Feb 03, 2004 8:21 pm
Andromaton
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Becuase the public treats 3d like it's the be all end all. It's much closer to a novelty than anything else..
Tue Feb 03, 2004 11:01 pm
Nobuyuki
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Pixar Animation Studios earned $83.9 million on revenues of $164.8 million in the fourth quarter of 2003, the company announced today. That compares to $17.0 million on revenues of $39.4 million in the year-ago period.
For the full year Pixar earned $124.8 million on revenues of $262.5 million, compared to earnings of $90.0 million on revenues of $201.7 million in 2002.
Results were led by Finding Nemo, which has grossed $850 million at box-offices worldwide and sold 24.8 million DVD units.
Now think how much more profitable they would have been if they didn't have to split 50-50 with their distributor... _________________ "When I became a man, I put away childish things, including the fear of childishness and the desire to be very grown up."- C.S. Lewis
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Wed Feb 04, 2004 8:25 pm
Fodder
Joined: Apr 02, 2003
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Oh man Nobu i didnt know their was going to be a math test.
(gets out scratch paper)
Carry the 9
times it by 6
They would have made 42 meeeelion more
Wed Feb 04, 2004 10:37 pm
Nobuyuki
Joined: Nov 07, 2002
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Now it's Jobs turn to pile on:
(grabbed from The Gate's website)
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(02-04) 17:23 PST LOS ANGELES (AP) --
Boosted by a record quarterly and full-year performance, Pixar Animation Studios chief Steve Jobs on Wednesday explained his company's decision to split with The Walt Disney Co., blasting Disney as weak creatively and unwilling to compromise on a new agreement.
In a conference call with analysts to discuss Pixar's earnings, Jobs took a slap at Disney's recent animated films.
"The truth is there has been little creative collaboration with Disney for years," Jobs said. "You can compare the creative quality (of Pixar films) with the creative quality of Disney's last three films and judge each company's creative ability yourselves."
Pixar announced last week it was ending 10 months of exclusive talks to renew its deal with Disney to produce and distribute films. The company has two more films to deliver on its contract, including "The Incredibles," due out in November, and "Cars," to be released in 2005.
Pixar has been in business with Disney since 1991. The two companies released their first film, "Toy Story," in 1995. The two companies co-finance each film and split the profits evenly, with Disney claiming an additional 12.5 percent distribution fee.
Pixar's latest film, "Finding Nemo," has earned more than $800 million at the international box office to date, surpassing the record previously held by Disney's 1994 film, "The Lion King."
Jobs said he offered Disney better terms than he knew he could get from a rival studio during their negotiations, but said Disney balked at allowing Pixar to fold the last two movies due under the current deal into a new agreement with more favorable terms for Pixar.
Jobs also said the Pixar brand has become more powerful in animation than the Disney brand and expressed confidence about Pixar's chances with a new studio.
Jobs said every major studio has expressed interest in working with Pixar. Negotiations with at least four of them will begin in March and Pixar hopes to have a new deal in place by the fall.
Any new deal would begin with a Pixar film due to be released in 2006.
"Honestly, we're sad about it," Jobs said about the breakdown of talks with Disney. "I'm confident ... Pixar's golden age will continue to evolve without missing a beat."
Jobs criticized Disney's last two animated efforts, this year's "Brother Bear" and last year's "Treasure Planet," as "flops."
"No amount of marketing will turn a dud into a hit," Jobs said.
Jobs said it is unlikely Pixar would ever agree to make a sequel of the five films co-produced by Disney and said he would not want to see Disney exercise its right to make sequels on its own.
"We feel sick about Disney doing sequels," Jobs said. "If you look at the quality of their sequels, such as 'Lion King 11/2' and (the Peter Pan sequel 'Return to Neverland'), it's pretty embarrassing."
Disney called Jobs' remarks "unfortunate."
"It is unfortunate that Steve Jobs has grossly mischaracterized good faith negotiations to reach agreement on an extension of the present, successful partnership that has been beneficial to shareholders of both Pixar and Disney," Zenia Mucha, a Disney spokeswoman, said in a statement. "It's also sad and unfortunate that he has resorted to insults and name-calling in the wake of the disagreement. We expected better of him."
Earlier Wednesday, Pixar said its earnings more than quadrupled in the fourth quarter on the strength of its animated fish tale "Finding Nemo."
_________________ "When I became a man, I put away childish things, including the fear of childishness and the desire to be very grown up."- C.S. Lewis
"Superman can't be emo. He can't cut himself."-CP
Wed Feb 04, 2004 11:27 pm
Andromaton
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Roy Disney will host a briefing and reception for Walt Disney Co. shareholders on March 2, the day before the company's annual meeting. The object will be to make presentations and arguments for voting against four Disney directors who will be up for re-election to the board of directors, including chairman and CEO Michael Eisner.
The reception will be held at the Loews Hotel at 1200 Market Street in Philadelphia from 4:00pm to 6:00pm.
Fri Feb 06, 2004 5:47 pm
Andromaton
Joined: Nov 17, 2003
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by the way, I will be there at Roy's meeting as well as at the stock holders meeting voting Eisner and company out.
in other disney news:
"Walt Disney says it is restoring Aladdin for its October 5 DVD debut, according to The Hollywood Reporter. The double-disc set -- the third animated title to get a Disney "Platinum" release, will include the song "Proud of Your Boy," which was edited out of the original film. Also included will be original pencil test drawings of a scene featuring Aladdin's mother." It seems the cut off your hands lyric will be forever lost to us.
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