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In the old day, people believed the sun did revolve around the earth. Did that make it true? It was science, it rose in the east set in the west. you saw it rotate. Now you see all sorts of things you can't explain, you say you just haven't figured it out yet and it can't be God. Does that make you right?
But that wasn't science--that was a hypothesis out of an observation. There was no way to test it--it was just the assumed guess. Science was when that guy did some really freaky thing with geometry back around 200BC to figure out that the Earth is indeed round, and gave a pretty close approximation to its diameter.
I didn't respond to the sutra thing because I thought the first part was stupid, with flawed logic, nonsensical conjecture, and it just pissed me off. It reads like a Cheech and Chong smoking session.
I thought I'd written how I don't like looking at endless links, as it absorbs too much time, but my post got lost in some black hole somewhere.
I looked at a little of the first link, but to me it just smacks of "Run the same thought through you head, and eventually believe it. Only then can you be happily taking my word at face value." _________________ This space left intentionally blank.
Thu Jul 31, 2003 3:00 pm
stFalcon5
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What's da dilly-oh wit y'all? The best thoughts on religion are found on Sinfest. Why? Mr. Ishida, the cartoonist, is pretty much obligated to keep an impartiality and ambuguity present in almost all of the topics that his cartoons discuss in order to maintain his mammoth online audience. If the 15 or so TDA members can be split over this, imagine what a mess 10,000 (the estimated daily visitor count to Sinfest) might end up in. So instead, the impartiality of Mr. Ishida's cartoon allows it to be interpreted either way with equal effectiveness and satisfaction to the reader.
_________________ "KUSANAGI!"
Tue Aug 05, 2003 7:53 pm
counterparadox
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I really should start reading Sinfest . . . _________________ anime is teh s uck
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Wed Aug 06, 2003 8:51 pm
John_Bono_Smithy_Satchmo
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You know something's wrong with the universe when stf5 makes a coherent, pointful post.
Be afraid. _________________ This space left intentionally blank.
Thu Aug 07, 2003 2:47 pm
dougisfunny
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John_Bono_Smithy_Satchmo wrote:
But that wasn't science--that was a hypothesis out of an observation. There was no way to test it--it was just the assumed guess.
Isn't that what science is? _________________ The problem with America is stupidity. I'm not saying there should be a capital punishment for stupidity, but why don't we just take the safety labels off of everything and let the problem solve itself?
Fri Aug 08, 2003 11:51 pm
John_Bono_Smithy_Satchmo
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But it wasn't theory that the Earth was round, just an untested hypothesis. If you were to go that route, you could say exactly that religion is science. For some reason, that's the only example I can think of right now. I'll try to come of with some more. _________________ This space left intentionally blank.
Sat Aug 09, 2003 12:21 pm
dougisfunny
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hmm how many things in science are actually laws? I seem to run into more theories than laws. And like i was saying science... religion. Same things, different words. _________________ The problem with America is stupidity. I'm not saying there should be a capital punishment for stupidity, but why don't we just take the safety labels off of everything and let the problem solve itself?
Sat Aug 09, 2003 10:07 pm
John_Bono_Smithy_Satchmo
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Again wrong, on the fundimental basis. Granted there are people that find absolute comfort in both, religion does not set out to explain things. The explanations are merely a bi-product of the underlying beliefs. This is part of why they are not mutually exclusive. _________________ This space left intentionally blank.
Sun Aug 10, 2003 1:07 pm
Force-Attuned_Krogoth
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The difference between science and religion is called peer-review. You can test (and, if the tests imply differently, change) the stuff you learn in science class. You can't do jack crap about what you learn in Bible study other than believe or ignore it. _________________ Krogoth uses Berserk.
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Sun Aug 10, 2003 7:25 pm
stFalcon5
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John_Bono_Smithy_Satchmo wrote:
You know something's wrong with the universe when stf5 makes a coherent, pointful post.
Be afraid.
*struts* _________________ "KUSANAGI!"
Sun Aug 10, 2003 8:13 pm
dougisfunny
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and what about things you can't test? _________________ The problem with America is stupidity. I'm not saying there should be a capital punishment for stupidity, but why don't we just take the safety labels off of everything and let the problem solve itself?
Sun Aug 10, 2003 9:35 pm
Force-Attuned_Krogoth
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dougisfunny wrote:
and what about things you can't test?
'GOD' wrote:
I refuse to prove I exist, for proof denies faith
As I said, they're not science. It's not a theory. It is a belief, or, if you prefer, an idea. _________________ Krogoth uses Berserk.
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Sun Aug 10, 2003 10:38 pm
dougisfunny
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True, though believeing in the results of a test is similar. But you have peer review if the results differ? So like if you didn't like a certain part of a belief system you can't just make your own sect? Or if your theory of relativity isn't up to snuff you can make an addendum as to how it compensates for a static universe, and then change it back to with a flux one? They are alike, and different. A believer says that belief is proof, one can see the presence of God/god/things in everyday life. Not the best test, but then test results have always been open to interpretations. Just because you cannot prove the existance of god/God/gods means nothing, nor the disproof of it. Simply that question is out of the bounds of science. So one reaches a conundrum. When faced with two ways to look at something you can either say, well science says this, or God() says this.
heh, as Data might say. Existance is futile. You said it yourself, he won't prove his existance. So sadly enough, this whole discussion, kinda is pointless no? (in regard to his existance that is) _________________ The problem with America is stupidity. I'm not saying there should be a capital punishment for stupidity, but why don't we just take the safety labels off of everything and let the problem solve itself?
Tue Aug 12, 2003 10:39 pm
counterparadox
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For some odd reason I'm reminded of the time that Nightweaver said "Jesus didn't die for me." and I countered with "It is a fact that Jesus did in fact exist and was in fact crucified. He let himself die. He did it for every person that ever has or will live. Thus, he died for you. What matters is how much you think that is worth."
If you beleive in science rather than God, then science IS your religion, in a way. While scientific theorems might change or be alteres, you still have an undying faith IN science. As such, you COULD feasibly have hte same amount of zealotism regarding your lack of religion as people have regarding their abundant faith. I think this is all funny. _________________ anime is teh s uck
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Wed Aug 13, 2003 1:12 pm
dougisfunny
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Quite, in fact. He has no choice but to believe in science, and by that token, to be able to believe in God he needs his existance proven, through science. I haven't met a god recently though who follows the laws of science*.
*as we know them today. _________________ The problem with America is stupidity. I'm not saying there should be a capital punishment for stupidity, but why don't we just take the safety labels off of everything and let the problem solve itself?
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