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My thoughts on this are that the bad comic strips like Family Circus and REd and Rover will die. However, it's possible that Doonesbury, Non Sequitor, and Zits would also die. That bothers me. But mayhaps newspapers will base their decisions purely on entertainment, and it could be entirely plausible that the overall quality of the daily comic strip could increase.
I've read the comics every day of my life since I was in 3rd grade. To me, they are an art that I respect. So I'm hoping this is a good thing. But it could swing either way. _________________ anime is teh s uck
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Mon Aug 09, 2004 8:38 pm
JohnnyPsycho
Joined: Nov 14, 2002
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if Kurtz's plan actually works, I'll be impressed and scared at the same time... actually, while many people may not think too much about the large industry built-into the funny pages, which is almost completely controlled by the "syndicates" (and yes, I do sort of see these syndicates like King Features and Universal Press being run like the freakin' mafia sometimes), if one guy can make it into papers on a nationwide level with his ownership intact, then I think the syndicates will suddenly find themselves scrambling...
but what I wouldn't want would for the newspapers to suddenly think "hey, let's get any old web-comic we want", because not all web-comics are created equal, and yes, there are (admittedly a small handful) of good syndicated comics out there today that I would hate to see leave if the newspapers begin to completely abandon the syndicates...
I doubt that any newspaper would be stupid enough to drop Doonesbury or the Boondocks, though i've been proven wrong before... _________________ "The principles you live by create the world you live in; if you change the principles you live by, you will change your world." -Blaine Lee
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Mon Aug 09, 2004 9:57 pm
John_Bono_Smithy_Satchmo
Joined: Nov 13, 2002
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My favorite line was on the message board they linked on PA,
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Professionals value their work sufficiently to expect payment for it; I consider that part of the definition of the word (otherwise it's a hobby). Giving it away devalues both the product and its creator, reinforcing the view that comics are disposable and worthless. If Kurtz's model were to catch on, the end result would be bad comics done by bad cartoonists, since anyone with sufficient skills to be a professional syndicated cartoonist would find other ways to profitably use them.
Keep in mind the person that posted this firmly believes in the standard syndicate distribution method: the original creator has no rights to his comic. Funny how with the current online model, only good comics make it to anyone's eyes, while stale chaff gets thrown in the gutter (kind of opposite to what's in the papers today, ne?). I mean, how many good comics are there in the paper? I can only think of Get Fuzzy and Doonsebury. Drabble was kinda funny for the first couple months, then went downhill. _________________ This space left intentionally blank.
Tue Aug 10, 2004 12:13 am
dougisfunny
Joined: Oct 29, 2002
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only good comic was calvin and hobbes... but its gone... _________________ The problem with America is stupidity. I'm not saying there should be a capital punishment for stupidity, but why don't we just take the safety labels off of everything and let the problem solve itself?
Tue Aug 10, 2004 12:10 pm
ToonamiL
Joined: Nov 07, 2002
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Dougisfunny is so true...
Tue Aug 10, 2004 3:31 pm
counterparadox
Joined: Nov 07, 2002
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I appreciated Zits (in a way, it's Calvin and Hobbes 10 years after we last saw him.), Non Sequitor, Doonesbury, Get Fuzzy, and Fox Trot. And Dilbert is usually entertaining.
Garfield should have died the day Jim Davis stopped drawing it (Year 5. It's not in year 26.) And while Charlie Brown really wasn't that entertaining, you HAVE to respect a guy that was the only one that ever drew his strip for 50 years, and REFUSED to EVER take ANY idea for a strip from anyone. He even had parkinsin's disease and still drew his freakin strip. That's dedication.
I don't think that the syndicates should own the strip. They didn't create it. I hate how they can bully an artist. Otherwise, the whole Creator-getting-paid-and-distributed-through-syndicate ain't that bad . . . _________________ anime is teh s uck
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Tue Aug 10, 2004 7:24 pm
Andromaton
Joined: Nov 17, 2003
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the thing is CFP, that's how the entertainment industry works. Comic-books do it, animation studios do it, just about everybody does it that way. You know how we artists deal with it? We get better contracts, either by leaving our creation behind and moving to a new studio with a new idea/material or renegotiating the contract we already have to get new freedoms or right retention for subsequent characters (such as for spin-offs).
There are as always exceptions to the rule but those exceptions will never break the rule. If that were true Nickalodeon would have died ages ago, so would have Marvel (I know they almost did) and DC. I don't like the situation but what I can do about it is keep what I really like back until I have a bit of clout so I can make a demand like "I own this now and forever". It's called selling a series for a reason.
I personally think Scott is a stupid jackass. A successful stupid jackass but still a stupid jackass all the same. The ego and preteniousness he has could fill a frickin stadium.
Tue Aug 10, 2004 7:57 pm
John_Bono_Smithy_Satchmo
Joined: Nov 13, 2002
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The newspapers in my area don't run Non Siqueter... I never heard about it until I went to Rolla.
And I hate you all. _________________ This space left intentionally blank.
Tue Aug 10, 2004 10:06 pm
Andromaton
Joined: Nov 17, 2003
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John_Bono_Smithy_Satchmo wrote:
The newspapers in my area don't run Non Siqueter... I never heard about it until I went to Rolla.
And I hate you all.
well aint that tough donkey cookies for you?
Tue Aug 10, 2004 11:17 pm
counterparadox
Joined: Nov 07, 2002
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Bono, see if Non Sequitor still has all the Adventures of Homer strips online. Those are worth getting your hands on.
And Spook, I guess it's because I consider myself an intellectual that I am under the opinion that if you create it, it's YOURS now and forever. From what I've seen, only the same mind or group of minds could continue something the way it was originally intended, and even THEN they can mess it up. But they seem to have the best chance. I mean, I deffinitely see the need for, say, syndicates, in such things as distribution and collecting payment, but I dojn't think they should own it in exchange for doing those menial tasks that the artist is too bored with/lazy/not enough time to do. _________________ anime is teh s uck
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Wed Aug 11, 2004 3:00 pm
Andromaton
Joined: Nov 17, 2003
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I whole heartilly agree that control (or at least partial) should stay with the creator if they wish it. But if everything stayed owned by the creator it drive the entertainment world (animation, comics, videogames, anime, manga) either out of business by hitting such a slump or nothing would reach the masses; nothing would see world wide conglomeration and consumption. Artistic types tend top not have the best business and marketing sense in the world. Why? Because a majority of us don't think that way, our minds are just not able to wrap around something that could be so big and know how to make it work. If the artist gets dicked over it's their own fault by not having a good enough lawyer read over the contract with their interests in mind.
Wed Aug 11, 2004 6:19 pm
FinalDivineDragoon
Joined: Nov 07, 2002
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Flame me all you want but, whatever makes these "comics" funnier, the better. As far as i'm concerned 90% of all newspaper comics suck. I consider them nothing more than unfunny illustrated page-filler.....or maybe I should change that to page-fodder. _________________ There is limited intelligence in the galaxy, but the stupidity of the universe is infinite.
Wed Aug 11, 2004 8:40 pm
dougisfunny
Joined: Oct 29, 2002
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the music industry, artists have agents, the agents sign with companys, the companies don't own the songs. _________________ The problem with America is stupidity. I'm not saying there should be a capital punishment for stupidity, but why don't we just take the safety labels off of everything and let the problem solve itself?
Wed Aug 11, 2004 10:06 pm
FinalDivineDragoon
Joined: Nov 07, 2002
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No, but the amount of times said songs are licensed for commercials, tv shows, movies, and so on might as well consider them owned by the agents. _________________ There is limited intelligence in the galaxy, but the stupidity of the universe is infinite.
Wed Aug 11, 2004 11:06 pm
Andromaton
Joined: Nov 17, 2003
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also remember that musicians make almost zero moneys from album sales. the syndacites atleast share more of the profits.
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